Episode 112 – Chandler Smith on Patience and Being True to the Process

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Chandler Smith is former collegiate wrestler, active duty Army Officer, and current CrossFit competitor.  He’s as humble as they come, and has had to overcome some major obstacles – to include the severing of a portion of his finger in a training accident. 

His perspective on life is refreshing and inspiring – there’s no way this podcast will not motivate you. 

In this episode we discuss:

• His fantastic Instagram Page

• His belief in patience and “the process” in getting better

• How adversity has made him better


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Intro: 00:01 This is the Eagle Nation podcast where we talk about building richer lives and stronger communities. We have inspiring guests to have real conversations about things that you care about.

J.J. Pinter: 00:13 Hey everyone. Welcome to the Eagle Nation podcast. This is J.J. Pinter coming to you live from a pretty rainy and dreary day. If we’re being honest. It’s not rainy and dreary because of the awesome guests that I have coming up today, so I want to give a huge welcome to Chandler Smith who’s joining us on the podcast today. So Chandler. Thanks man.

Chandler Smith: 00:36 Rather than me, it’s way sunny here in Kansas and that’s probably the only time you’ll ever hear somebody say that Kansas is the place to be, but today it is. So I wish you were here.

J.J. Pinter: 00:44 I’ll tell you, the midwest in the fall is probably one of my favorite places to be like when the leaves start changing colors and you walk out of your house in the morning, it’s just a little bit crisp in the air and it’s nice and cool. That’s just one of my favorite football season starts. It’s one of my favorite time

Chandler Smith: 01:01 for sure. A couple of weeks as well before Midwest winter begins.

J.J. Pinter: 01:05 Right. People don’t think that some of these prairie states like Kansas and Oklahoma and Nebraska, like you don’t associate them with being bitterly cold in the winter like you do with Minnesota, but it is freezing cold on the prairie. The wind just whips. You haven’t been here for

Chandler Smith: 01:19 with the high school in Kansas and then I’ve been back here for Rally for a few years and it never ceases to amaze me how cold it gets to the winter. There’s no snow. It doesn’t look old. It looks like any other day, but you don’t just want to spend zero

J.J. Pinter: 01:30 time outside. Yeah. Well, so speaking of spending time outside and the fact that you’re in Kansas, I’d like to introduce you to everyone in and tell everyone kind of why we’re talking. So Chandler is a lot of things. He is an active duty army officer. He’s a former collegiate division one wrestler. He’s a West Point Grad, but the thing that he is, I guess probably not probably the thing that he is most known for is he is a very high level crossfit competitor and that is something that very few people in this world can accomplish and this includes people who do crossfit for their full time job, but Chandler’s a active duty army officer and has to do all of the stuff that goes along with being in the army to include getting deployed and getting sent on rotations and pulling staff duty and all that kind of stuff. Right. So I think the way that I would sum it up is that he’s not in charge of his time is really probably the best way to do it or some large percentage of his time he’s not in charge of. And I think that to accomplish what he’s accomplished. Like he’s just an incredibly motivating guy and I wanted to get him on the podcast and just learn a little bit about what makes him tick and learn a little bit more about what life is like as Chandler Smith.

Chandler Smith: 02:51 Pretty boring if I’m being honest, but hopefully I can. You could find a way to make it sounded just in there because I don’t think I’m a very sane guy though. But I do appreciate the introduction. They’re done.

J.J. Pinter: 03:00 I disagree, but we’ll get into it. So there’s two things. I was thinking about how I wanted to scope this conversation out in there. There’s kind of two themes. What I want to spend some time, it may be at the second half of the conversation talking about what it’s like to, to balance the army with two other aspects of your life, one life as a competitive athlete and how you balance, you know, eat and Mrs and sleeping on the ground for days at a time. Not Optimal things for competitive athletes, how you balance stuff like that with being a crossfit athlete and then also kind of the fact that you have some personal brand and you have some, especially in crossfit circles, you have some, a lot of notoriety and people know you and you’re a bit of a public figure. Just kind of balancing those two things with being in the army.

J.J. Pinter: 03:48 So I want to come back to that conversation, but there was a couple people on our team who are really into crossfit and I was talking to them this morning about you and some of the things that they’d like to talk about. And they both said similar things. I think if you look at your instagram profile, he’s got a fantastic instagram page. She, we’ll link to it in those. You should, you should follow us. It’s super motivating, but I tell you the thing that I love on there is, you know, I think you, you say something along the lines of like, you know, shooting for the crossfit games 20, 22 or something like that. Right. It is. When I read that, what I take away from that is patience and someone who believes in the process, if that makes sense. Great Point. And the process. Yeah. That’s what I believe is his patients and someone who believes in the process. Right. And the process means different things to different people. So you have a story that I think is really interesting and part of this. So I don’t want to steal it from me and I want to let you talk, but you know, so you graduated from West Point you, you know, you’re active duty or an armor officer. And would you mind telling us a little bit to start this off about how you got into crossfit and your experience kind of up to the crossfit games? 20 17

Chandler Smith: 05:09 Roger. So I was, I went to the Games right now, my career highlight would be making it to regionals couple of years ago in 2016. But that was kind of a lot of things coming together. But the, the patients in the process part is huge and it’s interesting that you had came up with that exact verbiage because I have that have this goal sheet that I look at every day and I think it’s like the second or third most important thing is trusting the process even before Joel and Ben said it. So he stole that from me to 76 years. Stole my thunder. But uh, it was just important to me to like that’s kind of always been the theme when I started. I started wrestling in high school when I started as a freshman and normally he will start wrestling a little bit earlier and my coach was telling me that if I wanted to be good at this, like right, if I was staying a little bit extra after practice, like if I stayed for 15 minutes after every day for a couple of years, I wouldn’t see those gains immediately and I’d be likely to continue to lose to the guys I was losing to for that for the first couple of years.

Chandler Smith: 06:04 But over time I would get better and I took that approach and I got better and I lucked out with a couple members on the wrestling team. One of the coaches was a former west point Grad and then a team captain. He was heading to west point that year or the team captain was a senior my freshman year. He was heading to west point and they both put a pretty big role. So they kind of steered me there. And then, um, as part of my training for wrestling that’s expert train up for West Point is where I first found crossfit because I’m, and I looked up like being a typical high school, like what are the most hardcore guys on earth do like navy seal workouts, all that jazz, all the Internet buzz words. And I happened to come along, you know, a couple of hero workouts and I got into it and everybody knows the feeling of like their first, whatever their rushes, if you’re the first time he jumped out of a plane, if that’s your thing or you climb a crazy rock face and you like stare down and realize what you just accomplished.

Chandler Smith: 06:54 But like I remember him, my first workout in the basement using like a doorway pull up bar feeling I had after that. And I was like, okay, like this is it. So, um, it helped get me ready for West Point, helped get me ready to wrestle at west point. And even though I can only compete in the summers and kind of do it, like the patients was already in me there from the wrestling. And I do like that whenever wrestling was done, I was gonna try and move into this crossfit sphere. So after I finished wrestlin my senior year, I kinda started going all into the crossfit thing and I was okay, but it wasn’t good. I lost a bunch of workouts to people who I would end up being able to compete with in the future, but just like it was a pretty steep learning curve.

Chandler Smith: 07:35 But again, I was just trusting that it will get better. And then I ended up having the opportunity I did bullet, which is um, for those you don’t notice that the basic officer course where they teach you the basics of being a, an armor officer down at Fort Benning. And that was back up at west point for a couple of months helping out with the prep school wrestling team and I, between those two schools and opportunities, I had a lot of time to train and that train and kind of culminated in a regionals 2016 when I was my first year. And I ended up doing pretty well. And from that point on, I just continued to trust that the next time that situations are available I’ll be able to compete because I trust the work that I put in every day when I have the opportunity to. And I know that when the opportunity arises where I can train at a level similar to what my competitors can trade, that the results will reflect the hard work that I’ve been put.

Chandler Smith: 08:28 And then. So it’s kind been this whole process has never been something that’s like I’ve always been aware that it’s not going to happen immediately or probably anytime in the future anytime that I can really predicted the 20, 22 thing was based off of some information I got about a broadening assignment and having maybe time to train again in the assignment. But who knows what’ll happen when I get there, but it’s just. I know eventually the hard work will be reflected in, in some capacity. Like I’ll get the chance to express the capacity that built up. So just continue to build until the opportunity arises.

J.J. Pinter: 09:02 Would you mind sharing with us what happened to you in 2017? It was a pretty significant event and I think as an outsider looking in, it seems like a really important part of what’s making you who you are today and part of your journey.

Chandler Smith: 09:21 Oh absolutely. So we had just come back from a field exercise where we were out for three or so weeks and we were moving in. I was a tank platoon leader at the time and one of my tasks as we are moving in back in, we lost a side skirt, which is like the armor that protects the wheel and it’s pretty heavy piece of armor there. And while attempting to move the broken offside skirt part of it came down on my finger and it ended up smashing the tip of my left ring finger pretty badly to were bad enough to where it couldn’t get recovered. So I’m permanently walking around with a guess 10 and two thirds fingers and it took me out. That happened, um, the first day of the first full day of the crossfit 2017 open. I was in really, really good shape going into that.

Chandler Smith: 10:10 We’d won water Palooza as a team. We had Jordan Cook and Travis Williams won as a team like just a month or so before that was in phenomenal shape. I think that my head, I thought I was going to be able to compete for a spot to go to the games that year and then all of a sudden it was a, you know, I’ve broken a couple of bones in that hand as well, and then the tip of my fingers got cleared was not going to be able to complete the rest of the open, so it went from having a lot of excitement about what that Cesar was going to hold to wondering whether or not I was going to have any sort of future at all in the sport, which was a pretty scary transition to go from 100 to zero like that I suppose.

J.J. Pinter: 10:47 Do you know who a guy named Tommy Caldwell is? Yes.

Chandler Smith: 10:50 Yeah. He’s an amazing climber. Has done way more his injury than I could ever hope to, so he’s a big inspiration, but he’s an amazing, amazing inspiration there.

J.J. Pinter: 10:59 Yeah. For those of you who are listening that don’t know, Tommy Caldwell is one of the best rock climbers in the world and he has a movie out right now called the dawn wall. You should go see it if you haven’t seen it. It is amazing, but he’s just one of the most incredible athletes in the world, but he. He cut half of his finger off with a table saw in a home remodeling accident. He’s been a longtime friend of Timor to be has has hosted events for us over the years. I’ve gotten to know him a little bit personally. He’s a great guy, but as a professional rock climber missing a finger like that’s a big deal and he is one of the strongest minds of anyone you’ll ever meet and I think that he would say, I think that that event has actually made him a better climber in the long run. But I got to think that there’s some correlation to you. I mean, I should say that I am a dabbling crossfitter in the sense that like I know enough about it to talk, but I’m not good, but there’s so many pieces of crossfit that did involve grip strength. Right. And absolutely. Yeah. When you’re certainly having all your fingers is helpful there. So I got to imagine that when we go back to the talking about process and patients that you probably had to learn how to do some things differently.

Chandler Smith: 12:10 Oh, I had. The trading is still pretty fundamentally changed. You know, pieces that I could have hit beforehand. I have to maybe not adjust. I think my grip strength is probably close to where it was before, but I spent so much time working on it now that, that, you know, it takes away from craft that you do some other things. Uh, positions are a little. Some physicians feel a little bit different. It was a very, very steep learning curve, especially too, because in the immediate aftermath of it, I was just, it hurt pretty bad for awhile. The sensitivity and all that jazz is something that takes awhile to get used to. So it was a uphill battle for most of last year, but I think now having dialed in on how to train around the limitation, I feel like it’s, it’s made me better. And it’s funny that you said that it’s, it made Mr Caldwell a better climber longterm.

Chandler Smith: 13:01 So I had a conversation with Mike Erwin who had a team rwb like in the immediate aftermath of this and he talked about a traumatic growth and I remember this conversation just thinking how like it was like there’s no way that this is going to be a good thing. Like you’re out of your mind, you know, like there’s no way that losing part of the body that made me a good athlete or at least a competitive athlete is going to make me better. But. And a lot of ways I think it has. So one of those weird things that even in a really bad situation, I think there is a lot to be grateful for.

J.J. Pinter: 13:33 Tommy tells this story about being in the hospital, you know, post injury and the doctor coming in and kind of saying, hey, you know, we’re not going to be able to save this, and the doctor I guess was a climber and new comedy and just kind of said to him, hey man, you should probably start thinking about what you’re going to do for the rest of your life. You know, essentially said like, t tried to tell Tommy like, you’re not going to be able to be a professional climber anymore. You’re missing a finger. And that’s really important. And Tommy said that that moment like steeled his resolve so much and that in the longterm it made him like that piece of trauma made him stronger and a better, more resolute climber. And I dunno, I just hearing you talk about that makes me think that that’s absolutely happening with you because it’s like your, your mind immediately goes to, okay, what do I have to do to overcome this? Like I have, I’m now missing part of my finger. I can’t change that. All I can do is, is changed how I react to it and what I do to mitigate that and I just, it’s probably hard like going through it to think about the future, but you know, you just wonder if this is a piece of adversity that in the long run you’re going to look back at it and say like, that was the thing that really took me the edge in a good. In a good way.

Chandler Smith: 14:51 I think you could be right as a starting to get a little bit more perspective on. It happened last February, so it’s been over a year and a half since it happened and I think yeah, I think as of now, I obviously would not wish to lose anymore. I would really like to keep the rest of my fingers on my body, but that type of event like it can only. I think that the changes that have brought about can only happen when something like shocks you so, so down to your core and like brings you as low as that brought me in that specific moment in life where I was with my athletic career or whatever it was, a whatever you want to call it, that I don’t think it can be replicated in any other way. And so it brought about a lot of good. That was extremely painful to go through. So it’s not just something I’d like to do again, but I’m very happy in some ways that the data.

J.J. Pinter: 15:40 What are the things that strikes me, chandler, as I talked to you then I’ve, I’ve had a bunch of other people that have told me this is that you’re a really humble guy

Chandler Smith: 15:48 and

J.J. Pinter: 15:49 like you’re really humble though. Not like fake humble like some people are and I’m just wondering. Well there’s two things, like two kinds of observations. I guess one of the things I wanted to ask, I’m the father of two boys who wrestle and as I, I never wrestled growing up, but watching them wrestle. I’m a huge fan of wrestling and kids because one of the things that I’ve seen in them is that it has not only made them way tougher, but it has taught them how to lose, if that makes sense. And I, and I just wonder like if how much being a wrestler might might have played into that and then with crossfit, I. let me ask you that one first. You know, do you think that that has a correlation like being a wrestler and just, you know, like life as especially someone who started wrestling later, I got to imagine that like you probably were getting tossed around the mat your first couple of years into. Do you think that that has affected the way that you look at the world?

Chandler Smith: 16:46 I think so. I think it’s a combination of, I’d say probably three things I can think of off the top of my head that would contribute to and it’s, it’s, I guess humility would be a good way to describe it, but it’s also just the reality of that like as an athlete, the first these things, right? Is that now, right now in crossfit, there are metrics that you can be judged by it, right? Like if this guy cleans more than me, he’s stronger than me, so it’s very easy to be humble when and because of how many different things are in crossfit, there’s always someone who’s better than you so you can never really rest your laurels and unless you’re, you know, Matt Fraser and you’re beating everybody all the time, like you can never really rest your laurels on any one thing because there’s likely someone that is better than you at that specific thing and there is definitely someone who’s better than you at the opposite of crossfit as well. So like from just a purely quantitative, I guess perspective, there was always someone better than you. So you really can’t ever be, I don’t want to say proud of struggling to find the right.

J.J. Pinter: 17:42 You can’t, you can’t, you can’t rest on your laurels because there’s. Yeah.

Chandler Smith: 17:47 So that’s the first one. The second one would tie into what you said about wrestling because I was never a world beater of arrest or like I lost my fair share of matches and all eight years that I competed and then in the room every, every single day that you went into the room, I was lucky to be surrounded by a lot of great teammates and people who are either in way better shape than me who would be on the conditioning pieces or people who would physically manhandled me and Deb outscore me in practice matches as well. So that was definitely something that like if I took every one of those losses like personally than I would have been devastated all the time because I was losing multiple times a day every day. So I do think that is something that is built up in the restaurant.

Chandler Smith: 18:27 There’s always a bigger fish. Even if you are on top, you know, father time catches up to you, you get scouted or whatever. Like there’s gonna come a time where you’re going to lose and likely there’s going to be a lot of times and you have to lose. Especially when you are, if you’re that starter, I’m going to college program and you’re cutting weight and you’re in a weakened state and you have the other teammates who were working in on you to help build your conditioning up, you’re going to likely to lose more often than you would if you refresh, but it’s the ability, I think, to learn from those losses that allows you to grow from it. So I think that is a something that’s a little unique to wrestling as far as just teaching that eludes because you’re put in situations where you compete so frequently like there is some sort of competition.

Chandler Smith: 19:08 You’re going live almost every single day and almost every single day you’re gonna get taken down or otherwise experienced some loss if a micro loss or just like a normal loss of a match or something and you’re going to have to deal with that and see it as opportunity to grow because if you don’t, the combined effect of losing, losing and parentheses every single day is going to devastate you mentally. When. What’s the third thing? The third thing I think is tied to how I grew up, my dad played in the nfl for eight years and he’s been a strength coach in the nfl for 20 years. So in regards to, you know, like at least as an, as an athlete, right. I may be able to do some cool things is that as an athlete, but I’m never going to be Jerry Rice. I got to be Jerry Rice ball boy for one of the training camps.

Chandler Smith: 19:50 So, you know what I mean. Like there’s always being around people who achieved things far greater in their respective careers that areas. And I think a similar thing happened at west point, but just I remember civically football, uh, being around people who were actually perceived as others as being great helps me put into perspective what I think greatness is and knowing how far away I am from that. So by having those people as a, a measure of comparison, I’m just always aware from it from a physical perspective that I’ll never be able to do run as fast as some of the running backs my dad trained or lift. Like some of the linemen or whatever or have the cultural impact that some of these athletes had. So I’m very well aware that my circle is smaller and my abilities or less than those folks and that makes me, I think a better steward of them because I am aware of like I’ve been given this much and to me it’s not a lot because I’ve seen what it looks like and it’s my job to do the most that I can with it because even though it’s not like my little or what’s a little to other folks, maybe a lot to others and this is.

Chandler Smith: 20:53 This is my piece that I’ve been given so I just feel called I guess to do what I can to maximize my usage of my talents and the talents, abilities influenced that I’ve been given and I just understand that it’s not a lot and I’m not that great, but I want to do the best that I can with what I had the chance to do.

J.J. Pinter: 21:12 Even just hearing you say that Chandler, like the process and the humbleness is what kind of comes out to me. Because when you, so you’re trying to do the most that you can with what you’ve been given in crossfit, but that’s, it’s hard, right? Because crossfit is so diverse and there’s so many things in crossfit. So when you think about how you mentally attack getting better and maximizing what you’ve been given and you know, there there is, if you’re listening to this and you don’t know the crossfit world, there’s like kind of some, some, there’s lots and lots and lots of potential exercises and movements, but there’s some core things that people kind of like judge themselves on and what I see as a lot of people just like focus on like those very public facing numbers and not necessarily being like a rounded athlete. I’m just wondering like how you approach mentally maximizing what you’ve been given and how you think about like applying the process in getting better with the eye on like winning the games or, or whatever in 20, 22. Like this longterm vision for the future.

Chandler Smith: 22:21 So I struggle with that immensely because I think when you have a big goal and you’re doing things that aren’t directly getting you towards the goal, it’s easy to get frustrated and I know that’s a problem anytime I’m in like a situation is there’s kind of an element of double thing. Like I’ll, I’ll simultaneously be very frustrated with a situation in which I feel like I’m not able to maximize my capacity and I guess desire to work hard, but simultaneously I can step back or at least I try to step back and look at the situation that okay, so this is an ideal, this isn’t what I want, but there I still have the duty to do something that’s going to get me closer. So I got to identify what that is in this particular situation. And then that’s all I can worry about. Like I can’t worry about the fact that other people aren’t in the same situation.

Chandler Smith: 23:09 Like none of that is applicable to what I have right now. So it’s a little bit of like tricking myself into thinking that whatever I am doing at the moment is the best thing I can possibly be doing because I don’t look it at from the receptive if it’s the best possible thing I could be doing out of all the options in the world, but out of all the options that are feasible for me at that moment, I am doing everything in my power to get myself closer to that at least like if it’s, if we’re talking about fitness respective of getting myself closer to that goal of making the Games by 20, 22

J.J. Pinter: 23:40 from like a more specific perspective, what are, are there like, you know, I almost said like holes in your game, but that’s not what I made at all. Like what are the things that you’re focused on trying to get better at and improve when you think about crossfit?

Chandler Smith: 23:55 Right. So a shorter workouts. Pretty much anything under five or so minutes. I don’t do very well, like getting myself uncomfortable in that time domain. I’m not good at Wa balls or thrusters and high rep pull in. Gymnastics are a big weakness of mine and then gymnastics in general are pretty bad. So those are like, I think the biggest ones and I think in some situations. So like in Europe we had a. We first got to Europe, there was no gym but we had to pull up in a dip bar and I did basically I produced a ton of Poland one day and I do attend to pushing the other day and back and forth with what we had along with running and everything. And I was able to tighten up that one. So even though I didn’t improve my, my wobble hole there, I got to work on my gymnastics.

Chandler Smith: 24:42 So like in that particular situation I did everything I could to make myself a little bit closer to there and I can have peace of mind and feel like I was working as hard as I could to get to my goals because given what I had I was. So I think those holes that I have are likely to always exist. That try to not have bias in my program, that’s why I work with ms.fit and have someone else program for me and I follow what they say to do for the day, but there’s always gonna be some, some sort of just because I don’t think I have the time to work on all of them, but the ones when I do have time or do have the ability to work on one, if I’m doing all I can to get better at that one then that’s all I can ask myself of. So hopefully one day I’ll be stuck in like a room full of wall balls as part of army duty or something and then I’ll just get really nasty at those.

J.J. Pinter: 25:29 So what are the things that when you see a wad for the day, like what are the things on when you see one and you’re like, oh I’m going to crush this, or you see one and you’re like, Oh man, I’m about to get humbled. Like what are some of the, the things that might exist in some of those wads?

Chandler Smith: 25:46 Okay. So definitely on the good side as burpees running and deadlifts, I love all those movements and we’re not used to program for myself. Coach Chandler made sure that we had a lot of running burpees and dead so we felt good all the time and you know, never were embarrassed. But if I see thrusters chest to bar pull ups, definitely wall balls and maybe like a short repeated time domain. Like we had one yesterday that was like a quick assault bike interval and then several bar muscle ups rest the short period of time and then repeat that like six or so times and I saw that and I was like, Oh man, like, and, and, and you know it because you catch yourself, your initial thoughts before you’ve had time to actually process it. When you see it you’re like, oh man, like that’s when, you know, that’s something that you need to be doing. So I think I’m able to catch myself sometimes but I still don’t always have the right attitude going into those.

J.J. Pinter: 26:42 I have been trying to.

Chandler Smith: 26:44 The crossfit gym that I go to is like three blocks away from my office. I just walk over there and they post the was everyday like, like every crossfit gym does. But what I’ve been trying to do is when I look at the wads because I’m tall and lanky and have running is like, you know, it’s anytime there’s like running or rowing or, or things like that. Like I’m, I’m 62, so I have much. I don’t have to throw the ball nearly as far as youtube. Those are the kinds of things where I’m like, I’m like, yes. But anytime like Olympic lifting, any kind of stuff like that, I’m like, oh dear God. Like that’s not my forte. So what I’ve been trying to do mentally is, you know, because I have that initial visceral reaction when I see it and I’ve been trying to force myself to go on the days or even adjust my schedule to make sure that I go on the days that have the stuff that I really suck at.

Chandler Smith: 27:35 And you know, I don’t always get there, but that’s the goal. I think that’s an important win too because like part of what makes crossfit appeal to the audience, it feels too is like the mental side of it. You’re putting yourself in an uncomfortable place and I think it’s easy to master the physical side of putting yourself in an uncomfortable place. Like I know what it feels like to be out of breath because I’ve been out of breath at some point every day for the past however many years, you know. But the act of consciously choosing to do something that I like I don’t want to do because ultimately I like feeling out of breath because it’s going to give me a better shape and then being a better shape. It’s going to be a competitor and to do all the things that I want to do but like have the reach and the just I guess general athletic ability that I’ll develop by being a better competitor.

Chandler Smith: 28:21 So like there is something that is in that for me. But if I’m choosing or you’re choosing to go in, like you could still get fit without going in on the days where you have to Olympic lift, but that element of discomfort that you introduce into your lives and getting over it and forcing yourself to do something that you don’t want to do, I think that’s something that you don’t see outside of a crossfit gym when you’re kinda dictating your own, your own schedule and something that makes it, makes it special because it’s one of the few places where you are. You’re going to make a choice that’s going to make yourself just give. That gives you a visceral reaction and then you’re still going to look in the eye. You’re going to say, this is something I didn’t want to do, but I’m gonna do it anyways. I think that’s pretty special. So I’m pretty impressed that you pulled that off.

J.J. Pinter: 29:02 I don’t want to say I pull it off, but I, I try to pull it off. I’m a, I will say this, I’m aware of it and I try to. I try to pull it off. I’m certainly not always there. So I want to, I want to transition and talk about life in the army a little bit with you and there’s, as I mentioned at the beginning, there’s kind of two different things I think would be really interesting to talk about. One, just what you alluded to it a little bit, but you have in one sense other competitive athletes you have, you have to deal with things that they don’t have to deal with in terms of like, you know, they’re not going out to the field, they’re not to ntc the, you know, they don’t have to eat like Mras and t rats and all that kind of stuff. Um, interesting. Like what are some of the challenges that come along with being a competitive athlete but also being active duty in the military and what are some of the ways that you mitigate those?

Chandler Smith: 30:01 I’d say first and foremost is consistency. Like you mentioned it earlier, there’s just an element of your time that you’re not in control of as an army officer in any sort of program for any sport. Right? There’s the concept of periodization that like for this block of time, you want to do this in order to build up for the next block of time in which you build on the skills that you established in the previous block, but when you’re taking like a two week break in that blog, now the question is do you start over or where do you go because you missed out on those skills and in many cases you’ve, you’ve gone backwards almost because you haven’t been able to maintain your fitness. So I think the consistency is the biggest issue and how it tried to mitigate that is by making sure I never completely fall off.

Chandler Smith: 30:45 So that’s how that has looked like in the past is either bringing them like, you know, when I was on the tanks and we can fit everything, we can bring my whole house out to the field. I would make sure that brought enough equipment so that when in like some quieter times or something, I could do some sort of maintenance work. When I was in the infantry, I got to be an issue platoon leader after I did my tank between the time and I loved being awakened, constantly moving because I was like, if I’m constantly moving, I’m burning calories, I’m working my hardest work in this whole time. Like I’m, I’m staying fit by just by doing my job. So this is a window when my current position and the [inaudible] has presented a problem that I haven’t quite figured out yet how I’m going to deal with, but I’m certain I’m going to make myself.

Chandler Smith: 31:26 If I can bring equipment out, I’ll bring. I’ll bring a kettlebell out and if I can carve time out of the debt, I think it’s more a matter of how you approach the time that you do have. If I work for the entire entirety of the week and we’re staying up late, I don’t have time to do it. I can have time to do it. Like there’s nothing I can I can do about that. So that’s nothing to get upset about. But if the time is wasted, if opportunities present themselves but have a block of time and I didn’t put myself in position, I didn’t bring a pair of clothes to change into or I didn’t bring equipment to use or something that that’s an issue. So by doing those things, by making sure I have extra extra changes of clothes and equipment and the ability to move quickly into like, preplanned workouts for, you know, different time domains, I’ll be ready to take advantage of those opportunities if they do come when we are in positions where I can’t be as consistent as I would like to be.

J.J. Pinter: 32:17 So what would your duffle bag look like? Let’s say your go to the field for two weeks. What would the stuff that you would bring with you, like specifically, what do you bring that other people don’t bring that are competitive athletes? I’m talking from equipment to, you know, I don’t know if you try to bring some of your own food or you or like what’s different in your gear than other people who aren’t competitive athletes?

Chandler Smith: 32:37 So the food is a big one. I don’t know how you recall Mrs, but maybe you’ve recalled the more family now that you’re a. haven’t had one.

J.J. Pinter: 32:46 Terrible, terrible. I’ll buy these things and take them camping and I’m like, are you crazy?

Chandler Smith: 32:54 Give. I would give you all of them. So I try to bring as much a lot of tuna and larabars are like, that’s my goto field mail. So I’ll bring my bag. Will have a bunch of those chocolate chip cookie dough larabars that’s my jam because both of those things are decently energy fact. I could eat him and feel like I had a meal because I got something a little sweet, something savory, but it’s not. It’s not junk calories so I’m feeling a little bit better there. Definitely a lot more changes. At least have like undershirts and they’re close so that way if I do work out and get sweaty I could do like a quick field sour. I myself down not, you know, not smelled terrible the whole time, but I still have the capacity to work hard because I think if I didn’t bring that stuff I feel limited how hard I could go.

Chandler Smith: 33:34 Like I wouldn’t want to sweat or exert myself enough and if I’m not exerting myself that I’m not doing what I can to stay competitive with the folks I’m trying to compete with. So a little more change of clothes and then equipment wise, the Kettlebell is normally I do, but I also mentioned earlier like I’m good at burpees but it’s because I have done. You can do burpees anywhere. You can recover from them decently well you don’t need a ton of space for them. So I had done so many burpees in the field and that’s my, my goto. Some days I’ll do a couple of workouts of x minutes of burpees in the morning and you can adjust the intensity on them. Like I could do burpees as part of an email for 30 minutes or I could say five minutes as many burpees I can go.

Chandler Smith: 34:13 And either way it was two very different stimuluses with the same movement. That again requires no equipment basically is requires like a, you know, six, five, six area flat ground for me to. For me to do. It doesn’t have to be flat even I could do in my uniform and all that jazz, so a lot of purpose is the answer, but if I can bring my Kettlebell, bringing my Michael about and I’ll do because my pulling endurances week, I’ll do just a ton of upright rows or the like or I’ll mix it up with the burpees or my, my jump rope that I frequently bring out and that’s where the email will come from. So there’s infinite options. That’s the cool thing about crossfit is like it’s not. I think we’re as a sport, it’s kind of the pendulum has swung to more and more implements, but the ideology that has been behind crossfit and you know, your high school football program in the nineties and people who were working to be fit in the 19 fifties like I’m just doing movements that at a high intensity you don’t need any sorts of implements to do.

Chandler Smith: 35:08 You just need the right mindset. So that’s what I try to maintain. I’m out in the field, stay positive and be ready to go when I have the time.

J.J. Pinter: 35:15 Cool, man. It’s interesting because this is one of the things that’s great about crossfit is that you are doing crossfit as a sport, right? Like you are a competitive athlete. I am doing crossfit. Yeah. You’re a competitive athlete. Like I’m doing crossfit so that I can do the other things in my life that I want to do, if that makes sense. If I to go skiing, then I can go skiing and I’ve got the muscular strength and endurance to be able to do that and I’m not going to worry if I want to go wakeboarding or on a rock climbing or whatever it is. Like that’s why I do it. Like I do it so that I can do the other things in my life and I also want my, I have two boys who are getting bigger and stronger every day and I, I need to be able to whip them for like at least another 10 years.

J.J. Pinter: 36:01 So I to stay strong from that perspective. They’re both wrestlers so they’re pretty strong so we’ll see now I wanted to. Here’s the line of questioning I think is really the most interesting. So in one sense, you know, you’re, you’re an army officer, you’re, you’re an armor officer, there’s lots of use in the army, right? There’s lots of on rosters in the army, but you also are, I know you’re too humble to admit this, but you know, you have your, you’re a public figure as well, especially in the crossfit world, which is pretty substantial, but I want to go down a line of questioning about balancing life as a growing public figure with life in the military, especially the army, a place that does not value individuality. So you know, you’ve been featured on the crossfit side, you have a like, you know, over 50,000 followers on instagram. Like in some circles you’re, you are a public figure. I mean you 100 percent are. I’m wondering what that’s like, if there’s any considerations with that or if you feel like you’re maybe treated differently in any way with your, with your daily life as, as an army officer.

Chandler Smith: 37:14 No, I’m not. And I think that’s awesome. I, I’m like, I think I’m at best, maybe a, a, aj list celebrity or something. I’m way, way, way down there so it doesn’t interrupt like it’s not. People are coming up to be on a daily basis and asking who I am. But uh, that’s another thing that keeps me humble is that even though I think I’m maybe able to be like a good performer and the crossfit sphere, I know I’m an okay officer, you know what I mean? Like I’m not, I’m definitely not the best officer I can think of millions and millions of people out there or better than me. Dude, I’m billions, but a lot of my friends who do the job better than me, that better eye for detail. They understand that side of the tactical side of things better and all that jazz. So that is what the job is.

Chandler Smith: 37:55 And there has been very little, I think, I don’t think people pay attention to it at all, at least from, from higher. Every now and then I’ll run into some folks outside of the chain of command who are, maybe they follow me in instagram or I’ve met them before the competition. And that’s, that’s a cool moment. But work is work and I think that’s grateful. It keeps you from getting a big head, like normalcy is always going to be maintained at work. I can go and I won a competition this weekend and I don’t think anybody at work, maybe my direct supervisor knows about it, but like you know what I mean, like nobody knows about it so you just go back in and like everything’s the same. So it’s, it’s good because it means that you know that you’re not gonna get any special treatment and you have to continue to perform at work as well. So that’s just another thing that helps keep me sharp.

J.J. Pinter: 38:39 Winning crossfit competitions one day on staff duty, inspecting bathrooms and giving your analysis tests the next day like that. Is it 100 percent that’ll keep you humble for sure. Is there. Now I’ve got to imagine that your soldiers, especially when you were down in the line unit, probably like I got to imagine that they would like Brag. I knew like I leaders in better shape to hear and later you know, that Kinda thing. Like I got to imagine that, that, that kind of stuff. What would happen?

Chandler Smith: 39:07 I Dunno, I liked it. I like to think we definitely, we’ve made sure that pt was hard and I think some of the guys took a. It took some pride in knowing that they were getting after it a little bit more than the other platoons. I don’t think it’s a, there’s a sense of my dad can beat up your dad out there just because for every one of them who did enjoy going hard and pt, you know, there was one who wish that we. We did a little bit less. So I think it’s a, it’s a pretty good balance there too. My guys were always up and down on it, but the ones who wants to get better, I got to see a lot of folks who really didn’t get after it and they probably would tell you that story. So if you are talking to my guys, make sure you talk to those ones and not the ones who are still

J.J. Pinter: 39:46 making them run all the time. We used to have, back in the kind of the prewar days before the war in Iraq, kicked off at Fort Hood where I was, they would have, I think it was Thursdays or Wednesdays or something, would be sargent’s time and so all of the NCO in the battalion would. We’d go and do something with the sergeant major so then the lieutenants would get to get to run pt and I used to love it because we didn’t do any formations. We didn’t do any calling cadence. We didn’t do any of that stuff, you know, I’m telling you, I’m kind of built to be a runner. We would just run the ever living bejesus out. Everybody got it. Got It. Yeah. Anyways, that was one of the things that I used to enjoy, plus having long legs. I hate running information because it’s just.

J.J. Pinter: 40:34 Anyway, I have to tell a story. We were going to record this podcast at launch and this is, I think it’s a good metaphor for life as life is in the army. So Chandler called me and said, hey, something came up. We just got a load of of ace. It was an act, is that what it’s called now? The Army combat fitness test. I want to talk about that because I’m actually really excited about it, but I think it’s a good man and he’s like, we got to load all this stuff. So it’s a perfect example of how the army just kind of like kind of, you know, suck your time away unexpectedly for things that you didn’t think about without going into tons of details. The army has not changed the way it measures physical fitness in a long time. It’s been a two mile run pushups and sit ups and I think, you know, almost everybody looks at that and said that’s not really a good measure of physical fitness and after lots of time and research, the army is in the process of rolling out this thing called the act, which without willing you can, you can google it, learn about it without going into a lot of details.

J.J. Pinter: 41:35 It’s very much more focused on functional movements and it’s very crossfit it in a lot of senses

Chandler Smith: 41:41 and

J.J. Pinter: 41:42 the army has got. It’s got itself a bit of a change management project right now because in one sense some people are really excited about it. Like I personally, I’m not in the army, I haven’t been in for a long time, but I, I think that this is exactly what the army needs to be doing, but then there’s a lot of people who I think for fear of change or being humbled or for fear that they can’t hide anymore, are really making a stink about it. As someone who’s like on the front lines of this, what do you think of this thing and what do you think it’s going to be like?

Chandler Smith: 42:11 Okay, I don’t think I’m allowed to say anything bad about it. I’m just kidding. Hopefully. Okay, so my thing is I think that the test, it’s. It definitely is a way more comprehensive test. We ran a practice one for some of the incoming commanders and first sergeants and there was definitely a lot of new found humility in there as well. People you know traditionally done well because of how sort the rest times are in between the events. It’s more like the whole effort feels like a cardiovascular endurance effort and then when you finished with that run, which is a two mile run, just like it isn’t the RNA Pfd, like if you compare your time, your time is going to be noticeably slower and your, your feelings are likely to be hurt. And I think because we have. We have tests, we trained for tests.

Chandler Smith: 42:54 The side effect of training for this test is that by doing all the things that you needed to do to do well on this test, you’re going to end up being fit because you’re going to have to work on getting stronger and then if you are strong than you’re going to have to work on, you know, an area that you’re weaker in and because there are six events, like there’s a greater capacity to find those weaknesses and there was within the earlier tests. So I think those are all really good things. But I have some initial concern about just the setup and the amount of equipment as far as like how feasible it is to set this up with the given rest time. So ever right now it’s still in flux and I think there’s a. We got a lot of good guys out there and Fort Jackson right now working on tightening it all up, so I’m sure by the time it comes out as a finished product that will be. It’ll be airtight, but those are my initial concerns right now. Mostly just the equipment side of things.

J.J. Pinter: 43:41 Yeah. Really good friend of mine, Sam Lynn, he’s the professor of military science at Fordham right now and he’s getting ready to take a battalion command next summer. He’s a big crossfitter and he did this diagnostic with all of his cadets, so like 100 cadets and so you know, in addition to the concerns about, you know, injuries or whatever, which I think are probably largely misplaced. To your point, there’s a lot of concerns about like, Hey, there’s a lot of equipment that we have to have now and people are going to want it. Like at the platoon and company level. Like what do we do with all this stuff? Is this going to take longer? Is this going to be like a half day training event as opposed to doing it in an hour like you would with normal pt test and his response or what they determined is that it does take a little bit longer. There’s more, there’s certainly more setup time and everything else, but it’s not that big of a deal and they were able to run their cadets through pretty quickly and yeah, it should be really exciting and it’s going to be a big change for the army for sure, but I got to imagine you’re excited about this because this, this is if anyone should be able to crush this thing, it should be you.

Chandler Smith: 44:43 I sure hope so. I think it’d be a pretty big indictment of my ability as a crossfit athlete if I can’t do well on this test that’s supposed to measure comprehensive fitness. So here’s hoping.

J.J. Pinter: 44:52 Well man, I can’t believe that we’ve been talking in our almost already. I really appreciate you giving me some of your time today. I love to just talk to really interesting and inspirational people like you. There’s a question that I’d like to ask everybody at the end of this podcast and I wanted to ask you as well, and I think this is particularly relevant because you’re like in the knife fight, you know right now in the sense that you are like leading soldiers in active duty army capacity. So here’s the question. It’s the question about leadership and the question is what’s the most important lesson that a leader has ever taught you in your life? Some people answer that question and they say, oh, well there’s this very specific person in my high school coach or whatever. Like in this specific moment where some people say to me, well, there’s, you know, over over my career, over my lifetime, I’ve learned this thing that’s kind of more thematic. But that’s the question. What’s, what’s the most important lesson that a leader has ever taught you?

Chandler Smith: 45:48 So I apologize in advance because you gave me an out by going with saying that some folks say that the magic. Because I think it’s a consistent lesson that I learned from the best leaders that I’ve been around my high school wrestling coach. Because wrestling coach, a couple of commanders that I’ve had been in the army and that’s the effects of well-placed belief than someone else. So just as a leader, right? You know that everyone is always watching you and I think most folks are aware of that, but the next step beyond that I think is his understanding that everyone is also like they’re holding onto every piece of information that you say a lot more than you think. So the small acts of kindness when they’re coming this coming down is a weird way of saying it. But from a leader to subordinate those, when you invest that time, it’s noticed in ways that you would never imagine.

Chandler Smith: 46:38 And then the second and third order effects of that can go a very long, long way. I think immediately I would not have continued wrestling if I hadn’t had someone take extra time and come and grab me when I quit the rest of the team my freshman year and dragged me back into practice and say, you’re going to keep doing this or make me stay. Start staying late for practice or tell me that I had the capacity to make the team. I’m in college wrestling or so on and so forth. All these instances in my life and I think about the. I don’t know if I’ve had a second and third order effect like that yet, but I know I try to position myself to be able to do that. Like anytime I get any sort of correspondence from someone on the Internet and it’s not, not crazy.

Chandler Smith: 47:17 I’m not like, you know, mega famous or anything, but I really try to respond to every single person that ever the comments or sends me a message or something because you never know what the second and third order effects or how much that person looks up to you. So that I think is the biggest responsibility. Responsibility is a strong word, but the biggest responsibility I think I have as an athlete or someone who is near the public eye is like not just taking for granted that people are paying attention to what I’m doing. Like I have to pay attention back to them because I think of how much that has impacted my life and know that even if it’s something that I won’t think twice about or I won’t remember the interaction down the road, it could have a huge effect on that person so that that’s probably the the one that jumps out to me. It’s just making sure that you’re giving them out of attention back when people reach out to you, that you. You’re meeting them with a equal excitement.

J.J. Pinter: 48:09 Yeah. There is a well placed like I believe in you. You can do this, especially with kids really, really goes along way and words mean things and sometimes something as simple as someone saying that to you at the right time and that stays with you. It sticks with you forever. It really does. Now. So here’s the question. I forgot to ask you this since I want to ask you and I’m by no way am I comparing myself to you, but I’ll let me share a challenge that I have and then ask you how you address it. I’m a person who is kind of private by nature. I don’t really like social media for example. I don’t like putting a ton of myself out there on social media, but being the executive director of team red, white and blue, I think it’s important for me to be a spokesperson for the organization and to be more public facing.

J.J. Pinter: 49:06 And so I, I do much more of that than I would otherwise and because I do it because I think it’s important for the organization. Now I’m wondering for you, you know, you’re a really humble guy, but you have the ability to inspire people. Right? And I think that’s one of the things that you do with your, with your instagram page. And I think that’s why so many people you know, follow what you’re doing. Is that something you ever think about this like, Hey, I’ve got this really great medium where I can influence lots and lots and lots of people. I want to use this in a way that is good and inspirational, but like I don’t want it to seem like I’m a self promoter or inauthentic or I, I don’t want to like create some kind of a juxtaposition doesn’t exist, but I’m just. I’m just wondering if maybe something like that is something that you think about.

Chandler Smith: 50:04 Oh No, you’re absolutely correct. That’s how I view it because I know that you scroll through your feed and you categorize the things that you see like Oh, this was, this was a thought out posts and I enjoy it or this is basically spam coming from one of my friends. So I think I tried to be very cautious to make sure that if I am posting something like there is a reason behind it. But there also is, and I think you probably understand this too. There’s like an element of playing the game that you have to do as far as you have to promote yourself in order to have that influence. Like if I never posted anything that there’d be no point to it. So I definitely agonize a lot over like what is actually important enough, what is going to have those effects on people that I’m wanting to have with this of just like encouraging them to go train hard or believe in themselves a little bit more, whatever the purpose of that specific post is.

Chandler Smith: 50:53 But also like, is this something that’s going to help me, I guess continue to have breach. I think I’d probably lose that battle. I don’t post as frequently as a Lotta the other athletes and I don’t right now I don’t have any sponsors in part because I, I don’t have it figured out how to quite reconcile like uh, being as overt with representing products as sponsors wants you to be with. Also understand the responsibility that I have to, you know, like be the force that I want to be in. Use The leverage I’ve been given on that medium for good. So it’s definitely something with, with every post I put up I like, I definitely think about that. It seems like such a silly thing to think about. But when I, when I think about the second and third order effects that like I just mentioned can, can happen from a post if someone sees this post and all of a sudden they go out and train and ended up, they start training more frequently because of it or something like, I don’t know if anything like that has ever happened, something I posted, but there’s, there’s always the chance and if I have a certain amount of followers or something, the following number gets bigger.

Chandler Smith: 51:51 Even if it doesn’t, if it stays the same or gets smaller, there’s a decent chance that it is going to have some sort of effect on somebody. So am I making that person’s day better or worse? And like am I, if I’m not making everybody’s day better, there’s at least making most people’s days better. It’s something I think about a lot. And then I think I just ended up paralyzed that they’ll post anything. So I haven’t figured that one out yet.

J.J. Pinter: 52:12 Well, it’s a real thing right now because it’s almost like it’s not enough to be just a good athlete right now. It’s almost like you have to be a good athlete, plus you know, you have to promote yourself in a way that you have some social influence. I mean like maybe the UFC is a good example. The way that’s structured, the best fighters are not the ones that are always getting the title shots, like they have to be able to sell fights and they have to have a wide following and they have to be able to promote themselves and like that’s who’s getting title shots there and almost as much of it. Not almost as much but like they still have to be top, you know, the best fighters in the world, but they also have to create personas that it’s almost like the wwe, the old school wwe is moving in, right. You almost have to like create personas that people like to be successful there. And I just, I imagine it’s a little bit of the same thing with crossfit. There’s, you know, the people who are household names. There are the ones that are good at telling their stories and they’re the ones that are compelling and that takes effort to. So I know I don’t really have a question up in there other than it’s just an observation and it seems like something that’s probably a challenge to navigate.

Chandler Smith: 53:30 No, it’s good. It’s good to hear that. I’m not crazy thinking about that stuff too. So I appreciate you bringing that up because I sometimes like, man, it’s crazy that I’m thinking this much about, you know, a social media post that really 99 percent of people are going to scroll through it and then they won’t think twice about it after they read the caption or look at the picture, whatever. Like it’s not, it’s not a big deal, but I’m making it a big deal in my head and yeah, it’s, it’s good to hear that I’m not the only person gets driven up the wall thinking through these things.

J.J. Pinter: 53:59 No, it’s not for you. You, you kind of brought up the fact that you don’t have any sponsors right now, but you will have sponsors right? At some point in the future. And so there’s another, there’s another component to that of like how are you aligning with brands and how does that, like, there’s monetizing their and other things and like these are things that you have to think about. So it’s tough. It’s challenging

Chandler Smith: 54:20 such as you are. Correct. But I’m glad I don’t have to worry about it. Right now. My only only real priority is making sure that I show up and do a good job for Uncle Sam. So luckily, and also worried about that stuff too much just yet,

J.J. Pinter: 54:30 like do you have, when you look around the crossfit world, who’s inspiring to you? The world of functional fitness? Is it any, is there any, um, the sport is evolving really quickly and so it’s changing a lot. I’ll tell you, a person that I’ve has done some camps for us a team are to be that I’ve gotten to know a little bit over the years and it’s just like a fantastic guy. His is Graham Holmberg who is the former crossfit games champion. Yeah. What I’d like, he’s just fantastic. He’s a fantastic guy and, and you know, I look at him as someone who is like pe, he’s getting older now and I, you know, I think he’s, I don’t really follow it super closely, but I don’t think that he’s like, you know, competing at a super high level anymore. But when I think about someone who was at the time in the sport was super influential but then conducted himself in a way that he could be really proud of that, you know, that’s the kind of person that I think is, I at least find inspiring. But who are you? Who Do you look up to? Who Do you find inspiring? So

Chandler Smith: 55:33 yeah, grandma grandma’s. I’ve ever looked up to him a lot. I think I’m right off the rip. So there’s two categories across vendors I think I would really look up to and I’m, I know I’m going to hopefully not. No, but hopefully I don’t know what I’m saying, but it was just thinking of two people right off the bat. But I think as far as people who make like who put their a lot of thought into every post. I think Chris spealler his post, I always read his stuff. He’s the oldest school guy to kind of from that Graham Holbert prebook as they say, for the preread Buck era guys, but he always is. He’s like, his posts are very thoughtful and he has a life outside of the gym as well. It’s just like there’s a good amount of perspective is a little bit of an older guy so he has a family, you know what I mean, and just like his perspective on life is something that always shines through is posted.

Chandler Smith: 56:17 It doesn’t ever seem like a word is wasted. So I always enjoy reading his stuff. And then from a content perspective, Jacob Heppner is like bar none the hardest working person I’ve ever been around, which I feel like is the biggest compliment. Give somebody except in or out a bunch of crazy dudes in the army wrestling program in the army in general and you know, just an all in crossfit and stuff. But he breaks himself to a level that most folks can’t even understand almost every day. But then he’s also just this real goofball all the time. He has a core either that he always posts and eat like settlers of Catan and all this nerdy stuff and he really let themselves shine through and people respond greatly to like, people just like they like that there’s no persona, you know, like he’s not trying to be something he’s not and he also works really sickeningly, disgustingly hard all the time. So that combination of staying true to himself will also having this just insane ability to get after it is like that. That is, there’s a peak version of chandler out there somewhere in the multiverse who’s, who does that, who puts himself shined through and isn’t afraid of what others may think of who he actually is. And that also works as hard as happier diversion is very far from the version that you guys have right now though. So I’m sorry, but that’s what I would like to be like. So those are the two folks.

J.J. Pinter: 57:33 Well you just said the word multiverse in your answer so you’re, you’re a lead to a little bit of your inner nerd fly out there so I appreciate it. Alright. Alright man. Well, we have now been talking for an hour and 15 minutes and it’s, it has just flown by. I want to be respectful of your time. I don’t want to steal too much time from Uncle Sam here, so I’m going to let you go, but I really appreciate you giving us your time and being open and I think this is just a really interesting conversation that people are going to love. So huge. Thanks.

Chandler Smith: 58:05 Thank you much for having me. And I hope that, you know, maybe with that second thorough effects, hopefully someone is able to, I don’t know if they do something cool because they listen to this, so I do appreciate you giving me an opportunity to have a platform ability to speak and ability to potentially positively influenced somebody. So thank you much.

J.J. Pinter: 58:21 Oh, no problem. Oh, I got to give a quick shout out to Alex Morrow. Long time. Yeah, a long time. TMRW beer. I’ve been rock climbing with them in Colorado. He is the one who, who made this connection and thanks Alex. I appreciate it.

Chandler Smith: 58:37 And thank you for doing all the good work. Uh, I know you’re helping set up the ACF, so he’s one of those guys I was thinking about when I mentioned that, but he’s an awesome guy, so thanks. I do appreciate it.

 

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